Come On You Irons
3:22 Wed Jun 22
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If you enter a country illegally on a small boat and 'jump the queue' so to speak, you are not here legally. The ass of the law is that they abuse the asylum system to claim 'asylum' and thus get to stay here and be sheltered and fed by taxpayers while their 'case' gets processed.
I advocate the Australian approach. Intercept them at sea and 'store' them on a remote, bleak island while their 'asylum' claims get processed.
We don't need any more scroungers on this small island of ours, thanks.
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Fifth Column
3:18 Wed Jun 22
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If you are here and seeking asylum then you are by definition here legally whilst your application is processed.
Once you have had your application rejected you are then here illegally. At that point you have no right to any support, housing, benefits etc.
So I'm not sure why people think we are spending millions on people who are here illegally.
I'm not advocating for people coming over by boat from Calais by the way - these people should apply to France for asylum. It's just there are a lot of myths on this thread.
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El Scorchio
3:18 Wed Jun 22
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Also i remember some of my mates went to see Queens of the Stone Age in Finsbury park a few years ago. It was a really nice hot day so basically none of the agency staff who were meant to be manning the bars turned up so the whole thing was fucked for the punters
I'd again put that partly down to piss poor motivation or attitudes, but also I'm sure the temp/one day contract/zero hours type work (and pay) that's generally offered isn't really very appealing or worthwhile, so there's not a huge incentive not to sack it off on a nice day like that.
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Come On You Irons
3:14 Wed Jun 22
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When you see the media reporting on dolts like Stormzy 'graduating' for receiving an honorary (AKA fake) degree, then you see why young people of today are not prepared to work hard and just want it all and want it now.
Social media also has a lot to answer for, for glamourising life and planting false ideas of grandeur and 'living your best life' into the heads of impressionable young fools.
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Side of Ham
3:14 Wed Jun 22
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Fifth, yet you use your dads era to set the example of being incentivised, an era where you were happy to have a roof over your head and a regular meal.....no bigger incentive than that.....people were happy with a simplistic existence as they knew it could be a lot worse.....now I don't think that kids see it that way as most of us adults have made things look easy, and tell them they should aim high......even if kids are surrounded by people who tell them not to aim high, socially they are told so on social media platforms, school etc......they are educated to know what's in store for them if they don't set the standard for themselves.
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Swiss.
3:11 Wed Jun 22
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The other thing is to distinguish between genuine asylum seekers and illegal immigrants.
I don't blame the illegals really anyway as if we were in the same boat we'd do the same.
It's the government who are allowing it and giving them housing etc who are to blame.
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BRANDED
3:11 Wed Jun 22
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I know two geologist graduates. Youngish men. They both work in hospitality because its a very long slog to get anywhere in geology jobs. This is true of a lot of graduates in really good professions. Competition for good jobs less competition for average jobs.
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Swiss.
3:08 Wed Jun 22
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Council Scum 12:01 Wed Jun 22
You know that's not true. You can't get decent bar staff or waiters etc who are English. I can't remember any in central London in cafes, pubs, clubs and restaurants before the pandemic and Brexit. And for those brits who do they see it as being beneath them.
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El Scorchio
3:05 Wed Jun 22
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Fifth Column 12:40
On that, there was a doc series recently on channel 4 about a job agency in Bognor Regis and they were recruiting for jobs like labour or the service industry. So much of it was about youngsters coming in saying they were hungry for work and would do anything, and then just not bothering to turn up where they were given opportuinities. These two teenage lads came in claiming they were desperate so they were fixed up with something and they just sacked it off and got stoned under the pier instead. Others would just not come back after lunch on their first day etc.
Was quite interesting- and depressing.
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Hammer and Pickle
3:03 Wed Jun 22
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Sounds dramatic, Russ.
You seem a lot more sanguine about the Eton and Harrow mob though. Wonder why that is.
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Fifth Column
2:59 Wed Jun 22
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I agree with everyone who's suggested that the educational system and perceived life chances for young people often will be a disincentive to work hard. However, it's also a reason to work harder than ever if they want to make anything of themselves. My dad grew up with v v little money in the 1940s/50s and worked on a farm in the evenings and holidays and was not paid a lot to do so by any means. Too many young people fail to show the same level of commitment to their own lives.
And that does impact on the ability of businesses to hire young people even if they do offer an appropriate wage, in my opinion.
My eldest is studying and has a part time job because I've taught him to work hard.
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Russ of the BML
2:44 Wed Jun 22
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Mike Oxsaw 1:25 Wed Jun 22
"I'm trying to work out why there is such sentiment and support for these illegal immigrants"
Because UK society has been infested with lefty woke virtue signalling cunts.
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BRANDED
1:38 Wed Jun 22
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British workers always took the piss. And rightly so.
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Mike Oxsaw
1:25 Wed Jun 22
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I've never really felt that this was about money spent.
Whenever I've worked in the UK I paid all the taxes I was legally obliged to and basically left it up to the government as to how it was spent.
I'm trying to work out why there is such sentiment and support for these illegal immigrants amongst some quarters in our society when before they even reach our shores to join our society, they embark on that very un-British activity of queue-jumping.
I think that is probably what pisses me off most; thousands of people patiently "wait their turn" in the immigration process and these illegals shit all over them.
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Hermit Road
1:18 Wed Jun 22
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chim chim cha boo 2:50 Wed Jun 22
Have you ever thought about whether something makes sense before you post it or do you just type in a blind fury having finished reading the headlines in the Guardian?
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stewie griffin
1:18 Wed Jun 22
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5th / Swiss - i don't think its as simple as JUST Brexit, or JUST lazy/workshy young people
For me anyway, this has probably been 20 years in the making, and the biggest contributing factor is our education system.
Education for all, they cry. Erm, it isn't for all. Some people really aren't cut out for it.
The old way was much better - broadly... one third went to uni, a third went to college to learn a trade or technical skill, and a third went out to work. No shame in that, academia isn't for everyone, and by the time people came out of uni, those people had years of experience and if they were any cop, were by that time at the same level as people who went to uni joined at.
Now, everyone has to have a degree. In David Beckham studies or whatever the bullshit topic of the time is. Degrees aren't wprht the paper they're written on, and we're awash with indigenous population who are essentially over qualified morons. Lost count of the number of degree students i've interviewed who can barely string a sentence together.
Easy to blame young people, but its not really on them. They've been told since birth they can have whatever they want, do whatever they want, and that they're so smart they can get a degree and get a great job. Those messages stick.
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Side of Ham
12:56 Wed Jun 22
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Fifth when I was their age like many on here there wasn't a minimum but I took jobs that got me what I needed to go out/football etc. I knew in the back of my mind I would get on in a career eventually & get a house car etc........Now today they've got next to no chance of a property unless they get a decent career and these 'entitled brats' are brought up knowing this is the case.
The proof of this is the fact all this cheap labour that comes over to do the jobs will have children in the future who will be brought up here and will join the British 'Entitled Brats' on their attitude.
We have a lot of people on here not looking at what makes these British kids not bother.......there is no progress there is no future in plodding along in the U.K.
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BRANDED
12:55 Wed Jun 22
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Often Brits can get better paid jobs. I dont think they are shitter workers but most will get a job so are pretty average.
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Mike Oxsaw
12:54 Wed Jun 22
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Staff availability is simply another one of the boxes that needs ticking for a business to have any chance of being viable.
I would have though such research would be done very early in the process of putting a business plan together.
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Fifth Column
12:54 Wed Jun 22
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As for the original post... what an utter load of crap.
The idea that immigration = we can't afford to pay for old people to eat... it's just nonsense
It's perfectly reasonable to argue for reduced immigration.
Also, "hundreds of millions we spend on illegal immigrants". If you're here unlawfully then you're not entitled to any money.
If you've applied for asylum then you're not here unlawfully.
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Fifth Column
12:48 Wed Jun 22
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That assumes that the free market always functions effectively.
If there is a large part of the workforce who are basically entitled brats who don't want to do a decent day's work, then even if you do pay a decent wage you may struggle to find the people to employ.
There is a big difference between a restaurant paying undocumented migrants £4 an hour and a business paying £12 an hour and struggling to find people who have any motivation.
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